Realish steel ammo limits

I totally agree, I personally just think it's a case of it being much cheaper than live fire for the things it can teach you like quickly clearing stoppages and in the case of the Javelin sim it lets you get a feel for the recoil of the system without havingto fire a £15,000 round

as tankies we only got to shoot personal weapons once a year, and less than 100 rounds each (why me and ting bought our own civillian pistols to get more time on range)
i used to volunteer for the shooting teams, not that tankies ever made bisley, but just to try and for the oppertunity to actually fir small arms.
simulators whilst crap for actual gunnery, were good for tactics ( the american sim-net being the one we trialed for the british army, they didnt buy it, they just made a more expensive, shitter version for us )

ive never done small arms so can comment

We'er having a chat on the Gma forum about Milsim and what it actually is, one of the things talked about is real steal limits. It makes me wonder if Milsim has a place in ww2 pr are we already doing it?

I never knew you were in the mob Martin!

I wasn't, and many apologies if what I wrote implied I was. The curse of writing stuff on the internet instead of speaking to people.

Back the Aldershot open days in the 1970s, along with letting you sit in Chieftans and play with Sterlings, they let Joe Public shoot real rifles. Before all this Health & Safety stuff.

Cheers
Martin

Ah, the good old days! Some of us are showing our age!

On the subject of the SAT, I did try summet like that when I did my basic training. Not sure if it was the same system (this was 92-93) but it was such a pain in the aris. There were pipes and wires coming out of the weapon (SA80) which made it uncomfortable to hold properly and although the recoil effect was realistic i'd have to agree with Pete that the 'clinical' side of the trainer is a big let-down. Although i've never shot anyone myself so I cannot make the comparison, I can say that yes you get the recoil, yes the dude on the video screen dies, and yes you feel like you've actually shot the 'bad guy', but theres no pressure, no incoming fire and no noise. The smell you get from firing a gun heavily is an aquired taste (having put thousands of rounds through a GPMG whilst sat in a cramped turret with the smell lingering for hours I learned love it) and it makes some people feel nauseous, which I would imagine is not the best way to feel during your first contact!

As Gadge says though, its the reality of the times. Things nowadays seem to be ebbing towards 'do everything by computer' which will eventually mean that all the real skills which people have learnt over hundreeds of years will be lost. My personal view is to find a happy medium and use the training aids as they are supposed to be used. AS AIDS! Replacing the real thing with a simulator is just a recipie for disaster!

Anywho, about the topic at hand, low-caps and ammo restrictions (sorry for my rambling), I personally agree with the ruling of 1 rouond = 3 bb's. Wouldnt it be wonderful if you could have a selector switch to fire a 3 round burst on an AEG! 100 rd mid-cap becomes a 33 round mag, and the single bb hitting a twig issue would be almost eliminated. Just an idealistic thought

Anywho, about the topic at hand, low-caps and ammo restrictions (sorry for my rambling), I personally agree with the ruling of 1 rouond = 3 bb's. Wouldnt it be wonderful if you could have a selector switch to fire a 3 round burst on an AEG! 100 rd mid-cap becomes a 33 round mag, and the single bb hitting a twig issue would be almost eliminated. Just an idealistic thought

you can fit a MOSFET and set it to 3rd burst!
In the few years I've been running real ammo limits, no one has said they needed more to get the kill
I'm looking at running a 36hr WW2 Milsim later this year and combine it with some living history and real steal + 2 rnds will be the ammo limit. I won't limit the mags you can carry however but will limit the supply.